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kazt

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  1. kazt

    yellow sulphur

    HI Leah & Bindy , Yes I feed garlic too periodically esp when the nasties around - my insurance policy !! Yes , my experience too Leah - both yellow sulphur & msm inhibit copper, if you increase sulphur you usually have to increase copper too. Ahhhhh - from the horses mouth (thanks Pat & Leah !! That was my conclusion in the end too Leah - has to be the weather, esp all this bloody rain Would normally just increase the sulphur/copper & not give a 2nd thought - the "sneaky" change of sulphur source had my red flag up & became concerned perhaps not the same but satissfied now same difference lol. Which is prob why suppliers not being made aware I suppose !!Geez I can be such a cynic , chuckle !! Did discuss new source with Vitec who were also unaware. From what I can gather Leah last sulphur "mine" closed in 2002 so once stockpile gone all sulphur will be "reclaimed" Sulphur - suspect that has now happened..... Hi Bindy - I'm pretty sure both sulphurs do same job - Pat takes the animal one , I can't stomach it so take MSM instead. Read an article while back that puts MSM amongst top 4 pain killers in the world !! Sulphur vital for selenium absorption, is involved in the amino acids for protein digestion, is used by body for hair, skin, ligaments, bone, & hooves,gut health, deters external & some say internal parasites. I have increased my sulphur & copper too now Bindy & all good too
  2. kazt

    yellow sulphur

    Hi Bindy & Meredith, Ok seems traditionally sourced Flowers of Sulphur & reclaimed sulphur are indeed organic & same product. The last sulphur "mine" closed in 2002.Both MSM & modern flowers of sulphur are "reclaimed". MSM from a waste product of paper mills & flowers of sulphur from fuels. Ultimately, trees are the source, either way, sulphur has been taken up from soil by trees & converted to organic form, whether the trees have become fossil fuel or paper !! The prilling being done is purely done with very hot water & physics. (so no chemicals) To follow are extracts & links where I sourced info. Question now is why does it appear to not be working as well this year ?? - has to be all this rain washing minerals from food ??, so normal supplementation levels not enough at mo. Sulphur safe to 2% total intake, which is about 160g (heaps) for a 400kg horse, so will increase mine & see what happens. Wonder if copper suffering same fate Meredith ?? Thanks for new MSM source Bindy - HEAPS cheaper than MISMO Kaz "Flowers of sulfur or sublimed sulfur are yellow flakes of sulfur. It has been used in traditional and alternative medicine for humans and animals, as well as in alchemy and sulfuring fruit before drying." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flowers_of_sulfur "Sulfur is a non-metallic (I.e organic) element currently produced from four major sources: As elemental sulfur (brimstone) from mined deposits by the Frasch process As elemental sulfur recovered from oil and gas production As sulfuric acid from smelting of non ferrous metals (sulfur in other forms or SOF) As sulfuric acid from pyrites "Crude" sulfur is produced from the Frasch process or recovered from "sour" natural gas or petroleum. Although termed "crude", this sulfur possesses a minimum purity of 99.5 percent and is suitable for a majority of uses. The impurities consist primarily of trapped organic matter." http://sulfur.nigc.ir/sulfurproductionprocess-en.html "The Frasch process was developed by the German chemical engineer Herman Frasch (1851-1914) in 1891. With this method, elemental sulfur can be extracted from deep underground deposits. The key to the Frasch process is sulfur's low melting point of 112° C. When superheated water and compressed air are pumped down into underground sulfur deposits, a frothy mixture is created that can be pumped up to the surface as liquid sulfur. This process allows for the extraction of nearly pure sulfur without the need for mining." http://www.sulphur.com.au/ Oil refineries currently remove sulfur by a process called hydrodesulfurization. Hydrogen gas in combination with high temperatures and extreme pressure forces the sulfur out of its liquid state and into a gas phase where it can be siphoned off. The method requires large amounts of energy and expensive hydrogen gas. While this process removes some sulfur compounds, others, like dibenzothiophene (DBT) are left behind. http://www.environmentalhealthnews.org/ehs/newscience/ionic-salts-remove-sulfur-from-diesel/ These organic sulfur compounds are products of the degradation of sulfur containing biological components, present during the natural formation of the fossil fuel, petroleum crude oil. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrodesulfurization MSM ( aka organic sulfur) Where does MSM come from? It is from a waste product of the paper making industry. You chop up a tree into small pieces -- getting ready to make paper. You pour a large quantity of sulfuric acid onto these chips, probably other chemicals too. Then, you start squeezing the water out of this mess and you get the material used to make paper. The waste is DMSO. So, you could say that MSM is "made" from trees, and that would be true, but deceptive. Those who say that are afraid that the "waste" product nature of DMSO would turn people off.DMSO is shipped all over the planet for various solvent uses -- most MSM manufacturers purchases this bulk, liquid DMSO for the sole raw material needed to make MSM. The DMSO is simply boiled! That's it! http://www.nikitanaturals.com/prod83.htm "Colour Bright yellow when 99.9 % pure. Colour very sensitive to impurities. Slight contamination can result in brown to black colour. Physical Description Solid, generally spherical particles. Odour Odourless when pure but dust may generate slightly acidic odour/taste sensation. Odours, when present are usually due to released hydrogen sulphide residues or impurities." http://www.enviroliteracy.org/article.php/1016.php product data/safety sheets. http://www.sulphur.com.au/products/datasheets/Devco%20Superfine%20Prilled%20Sulphur%20-%20Rev%2022%20July%2009.pdf http://www.sulphur.com.au/products/msds/MSDS%20Devco%20Prilled%20Sulphur%20Rev%20June%202009.pdf
  3. kazt

    yellow sulphur

    No worries Meredith - will keep you informed too. Seems this is a world wide initative to use up the sulphur stockpile generated from removing sulphur from fossil fuels. Unfortunately local stock feed suppliers do not seem to appreciate there is a difference !! . From what I can gather Flowers of sulphur now marketed as "milling sulphur for orchard use" re Pat Coleby or "dusting sulphur" re Vitec. Can't find anyone stocking it locally though . CRT at Beaudesert looking into but will need to buy whole pallet if special orders for me . If everyone could start to raise the issue with their suppliers perhaps one of them will switch back to right one for us ?? Completely stumped at this point grrrrrrr
  4. kazt

    yellow sulphur

    No worries Bindy - will keep you posted - Please let me know if u find anything out. Flowers of Sulphur is amazing for detering external parasites if u get the levels up enough. Used it to rid my brumby of lice & mites etc - rest of my herd didn't catch them either . My lot don't have heaps Bot eggs (I'm at Greenbank) but starting to appear again since Autumn - so not sure if current sulphur working a bit at least or horses' reserve levels still falling & bots will increase over time :/ Time will tell I guess - keen to find a supply I can trust though. If I have no luck with CRT at Beauy will phone Ted @ SWEP for advice - will let u know Bindy if I learn more or find a good supply. Kaz
  5. kazt

    yellow sulphur

    Hi Bindy Main change is bot eggs are back this year - haven't had for years. Hubby is complaining fleas making a comeback on our dogs too this year. Other people on net starting to complain too. Changed supplier about 6 months ago & they supplied the grainy one which raised the alarm. I rang the company that supplied it to the produce store & they told me wrong one i.e reclaimed sulphur from BP oil refinery. Have manged to find one with same talcum powder type consistency but suspect still not organic version " flowers of sulphur" ,( out of china & very little written on bag . ) We take the MSM from Mismo too - way more expensive though (stock one only $2 - 3 /KG) The one I was getting was by Incitec Pivot & had animal sulphur & "organic flowers of sulphur " on the bag & was out of Korea. No one seems to stock anymore & suspect market flooded by BP & Chinese one now . Vitec in Vic have right one but aren't allowed to post up here Determined to resolve - can't live without it !!! Kaz
  6. Anyone else starting to notice problems with the QLD yellow sulphur. ? Flowers of sulphur being replaced by prill sulphur in local stores. Prill sulphur is reclaimed from fuel & coming out of Brisbane oil refinery) - Can't get solid advice whether still organic but deff not working as well so prob not & concerned re how reclaiming i.e are there chemical residues ? . Beaudesert Farm supplies investigating but may need to purchase whole pallet Flowers of Sulphur (organic version) now being marketed as "milling sulphur for orchard use". Would be really interested to hear if anyone else noticing the difference or if they have found local supply of right sulphur. If everyone struggling perhaps we could share a pallet ?
  7. WOOP WOOP :D - BRILLIANT NEWS LEAH - REALLY stoked for you honey XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
  8. Hi Leah, Great answers Honey. Hi Alexia If getting enough iodine from iodised salt then prob won't touch seaweed - seaweed & rock salt much better bang for your buck - balanced source of all the trace minerals & iodine - inc copper & zinc which should help you with the leg sore issue. The Copper Sulphate needs to be stock grade - finding in UK prob your best option (check alluminium not added). A scottish company buys much of Aus's King Island seaweed & exports to UK so good place to start. You can check his iodine status by checking skin from where his mane grows, dry & or flaky = iodine issue - either too much or too little - cut all sources - if deteriorates you know he's deficient, if he improves he was getting too much. The Alfalfa hay is really high in protein - protein lifts your copper requirements - I would swap for barley hay ( it has 1/2 the protein at 10 % & more calories) or up the meadow hay. Alfalfa is a legume so it also inhibits iodine & its high in phosphorous & calcium - which inhibits calcium & magnesium - if you have a magnesium issue then making it worse. Sugar Beet has a high likely hood of being a GM crop - Nasty & being banned systematically world wide - make sure yours is safe. Negatively impacts the liver & reproduction. Can't comment on value of homeopathic sulphur , we use ORGANIC sulphur which is basically the stock grade version of human MSM - some suppliers are starting to supply both but it'll cost you per kg what 20kg of organic sulphur costs. Deffinately think he has a copper issue - coat fade only occurs on copper deficient horses. What are his poos like ? soft = copper deficiency too. Good luck Alexia , everything crossed for you. Kaz
  9. I know - just seems such a shame - oh well, til next time honey. Great news re your place Leah You are most wellcome - sooooo good having someone on same page to campare notes & swap research with - THANKS Honey.
  10. HI LEAH, I"M SOOOOOO GUTTED I MISSED MEETING YOU Was a rare opportunity for us to finally meet Can't seem to find enough time in each day at the moment !!! Yes mate , I would have upped the copper too till lice issue resolved. Doesn't sound like they had much copper in reserve & an iodine deficiency would have impacted their copper levels too. They will refuse feed if copper too high so if he wants it let him have it. Kaz xx
  11. Hi Leah If u still have lice u still have a sulphur deficiency issue. I know Pat says double dose for a week or two but does take longer in my experience - Breezey arrived infested with lice & mites - the sulphur does work when levels adequate. Adding in garlic too was useful way of upping sulphur a bit more. Neither of my other horses caught anything from her but then they had been Coleby'd prior so really wasn't expecting them to.. If its dandruff in mane then you have an iodine issue.Either too much or too little. Still trying to work out how to make 19th work honey, would love to come but have program day with kids & meeting with uni staff after. Not sure I'm gonna be able to make it What time are you all meeting ? Kaz xx
  12. Hi Leah Thinking of you honey. Wonderful that the positive memories of Milo dominated the day. Must have been a tough day never the less. Such a huge loss..........You were so lucky to have found each other, if only for a short time. Can't think of a better person to support & comfort him on his difficult journey. Bet he's still keeping an eye on you Kaz
  13. Hi Storm. If u still have an itch issue after 3 months on Coleby diet than pony still copper deficient. Iodine deficiency also inhibits copper uptake. I would offer him bowl each of seaweed & copper - he should let you know which he needs. Iodine deficiency = flaky,dry skin along mane, pull mane apart & have look at condition skin hair growing from. Kaz
  14. kazt

    Hair *ysis

    Hi Jodie, HB is red blood cell count & indicates for iron or copper deficiency. HCT is red blood cells again - volume I think ?? bili is liver function, CPK is muscle damage inc heart. Normal ranges are in brackets on left, Tygers results on right. Apple cider vinegar component of Pat's diet is high in potassium. Kaz
  15. kazt

    Hair *ysis

    Hi Leah Hi Jodie Hair *ysis is unreliable - copper for example shows up in large quantities in the hair of patients known to be copper deficient, blood tests are only useful for certain nutrients. The body prioritises blood chemistry so blood may look ok but other areas of body crying out eg an iodine deficiency doesn't show up in blood til body 70% deficient. It is unlikely that an Australian horse be iron deficient, one of the few minerals we are not lacking - anaemia cases here are usually due to a copper shortfall inhibiting iron uptake. Pat says 1st place to start with any health issue is iodine status. Government has been compulsory supplementing bread products here with iodised salt since Sept 2009 cos our iodine levels are appalling. Symptoms for iodine issue are dandruff in mane - can mean excess or deficiency so check any commercial feeds for levels, 15hh horse need approx 7mg iodine a day or level tablespoon seaweed to maintain good health. Iodine deficiency interferes with copper absorption. Your horse maynot take to copper if iodine deficient so need to address that 1st. Dangerous to try & "con" your horse into eating minerals - they really do know best but they need iodine to absorb copper. Some older horses take a bit of time to cotton on to mineral bar but once start feelling benefit they are off Pat suggests sprinkling something yummy on each one, large enough they can pick it out but small enough they get a bit of mineral too, just to get them started. Kaz
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